1 00:00:16,070 --> 00:00:03,290 you're listening to Ira the inception 2 00:00:19,700 --> 00:00:16,080 radio network Chicago Illinois you're 3 00:00:24,470 --> 00:00:19,710 listening to I RN 2014 Porter's own 4 00:00:28,279 --> 00:00:24,480 international UFO conference alright 5 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:28,289 here we go again in 1974 something very 6 00:00:33,229 --> 00:00:30,570 strange happened in the desert about 40 7 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:33,239 miles from where we sit today witnesses 8 00:00:37,850 --> 00:00:35,250 say an alien spacecraft crashed in 9 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:37,860 midair with a small plane and felder 10 00:00:42,590 --> 00:00:40,770 earth just north of here night auras and 11 00:00:46,190 --> 00:00:42,600 Ruben Uriarte have written two books 12 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:46,200 about this famous case in 2007 they 13 00:00:50,630 --> 00:00:47,850 released their first book Mexico's 14 00:00:52,369 --> 00:00:50,640 Roswell which led to many television 15 00:00:55,130 --> 00:00:52,379 documentaries and appearances by the 16 00:00:58,490 --> 00:00:55,140 authors a second edition of the book was 17 00:01:00,260 --> 00:00:58,500 published in 2009 and just last year the 18 00:01:03,139 --> 00:01:00,270 authors updated the story in their 19 00:01:06,500 --> 00:01:03,149 newest book to kill me incident UFO 20 00:01:08,570 --> 00:01:06,510 crash near Presidio Texas today no n 21 00:01:10,670 --> 00:01:08,580 Ruben will bring us a complete story of 22 00:01:12,830 --> 00:01:10,680 what happened including all the latest 23 00:01:16,520 --> 00:01:12,840 data about the reported crash of a UFO 24 00:01:18,230 --> 00:01:16,530 in the desert not far from here please 25 00:01:29,510 --> 00:01:18,240 help me welcome nguoi taurus and 26 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:29,520 rupinder RT Thank You Dennis one of the 27 00:01:34,819 --> 00:01:32,490 joys that Reuben and I had in going to 28 00:01:38,359 --> 00:01:34,829 Roswell and speaking at the Roswell UFO 29 00:01:41,690 --> 00:01:38,369 festival every summer for five years in 30 00:01:44,020 --> 00:01:41,700 a row was meeting many of the top UFO 31 00:01:48,050 --> 00:01:44,030 researchers in the world really 32 00:01:51,109 --> 00:01:48,060 including dennis belthazor so that's one 33 00:01:55,069 --> 00:01:51,119 of the things dennis that i have the 34 00:01:58,730 --> 00:01:55,079 greatest memories of is in you know and 35 00:02:01,370 --> 00:01:58,740 I so fondly remember is meeting you and 36 00:02:04,940 --> 00:02:01,380 the other Stanton Friedman Bruce 37 00:02:07,100 --> 00:02:04,950 Maccabee just an innumerable number of 38 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:07,110 wonderful folks that we met in Roswell 39 00:02:12,830 --> 00:02:10,050 so that's how we got started 40 00:02:14,450 --> 00:02:12,840 we we put this book together which we're 41 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:14,460 going to be talking about now Reuben and 42 00:02:21,770 --> 00:02:18,450 I and then the phone started ringing off 43 00:02:24,950 --> 00:02:21,780 the wall you know and in our pockets as 44 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:24,960 well the phone started ringing that 45 00:02:29,570 --> 00:02:27,690 George Noory from coast to coast wanted 46 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:29,580 to interview as the history channel 47 00:02:35,930 --> 00:02:32,970 wanted to do a documentary and so it was 48 00:02:38,660 --> 00:02:35,940 like Katie bar the door you know what 49 00:02:41,990 --> 00:02:38,670 did we do so anyway the story is 50 00:02:46,670 --> 00:02:42,000 compelling it is one of the most 51 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:46,680 interesting and yet least known UFO 52 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:51,330 cases now in the popular literature or 53 00:02:59,510 --> 00:02:54,690 in the UFO literature i should say the 54 00:03:02,660 --> 00:02:59,520 researchers call it mexico's roswell and 55 00:03:05,090 --> 00:03:02,670 that's how it became to be known in the 56 00:03:10,250 --> 00:03:05,100 late 80s Early 90s when the incident 57 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:10,260 first surfaced but it actually happened 58 00:03:16,310 --> 00:03:13,170 as we've mentioned several times not far 59 00:03:18,350 --> 00:03:16,320 from where we are here today it happened 60 00:03:20,690 --> 00:03:18,360 in the chihuahuan desert just about 40 61 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:20,700 miles northwest of here is that as the 62 00:03:30,110 --> 00:03:25,890 crow flies so a Presidio is actually one 63 00:03:33,170 --> 00:03:30,120 of the nearest populated cities and 64 00:03:36,199 --> 00:03:33,180 certainly the nearest city on the Texas 65 00:03:38,180 --> 00:03:36,209 side to where this happened and it's 66 00:03:42,550 --> 00:03:38,190 called a Kalama incident because it 67 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:42,560 happened in el municipio de koyama the 68 00:03:48,350 --> 00:03:45,450 municipality of koyama which is would be 69 00:03:51,590 --> 00:03:48,360 the equivalent of a county in the u.s. 70 00:03:54,050 --> 00:03:51,600 so in the county of koyama now the 71 00:03:56,300 --> 00:03:54,060 county of koyama in mexico is a huge 72 00:04:02,150 --> 00:03:56,310 place and i believe one of those slides 73 00:04:04,910 --> 00:04:02,160 will show you the boundaries but one of 74 00:04:07,100 --> 00:04:04,920 the earliest depictions of what happened 75 00:04:08,870 --> 00:04:07,110 out there and i always show it at the 76 00:04:12,650 --> 00:04:08,880 beginning of our presentation because it 77 00:04:15,710 --> 00:04:12,660 gives a good capsule summary about five 78 00:04:20,860 --> 00:04:15,720 minutes it summarizes the whole story 79 00:04:23,930 --> 00:04:20,870 and it's from an episode of UFOs of the 80 00:04:26,780 --> 00:04:23,940 1970s which aired on the History Channel 81 00:04:30,650 --> 00:04:26,790 and keep an eye on while you watch this 82 00:04:33,530 --> 00:04:30,660 clip for my sidekick Rubin who is going 83 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:33,540 to appear several times and then he'll 84 00:04:39,890 --> 00:04:35,970 have more to tell you about that later 85 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:39,900 but anyway here we go with the the thing 86 00:04:45,650 --> 00:04:41,610 that kind of got the whole thing dropped 87 00:04:49,370 --> 00:04:45,660 kicked and started and here it is over 88 00:04:53,450 --> 00:04:49,380 Springfield 1974 Rihanna Mexico is home 89 00:04:57,020 --> 00:04:53,460 to its own students some say lethally 90 00:04:59,570 --> 00:04:57,030 we're focusing it has a place not found 91 00:05:01,990 --> 00:04:59,580 on many maps at his home to more agave 92 00:05:04,380 --> 00:05:02,000 plants than people 93 00:05:09,540 --> 00:05:04,390 but several of those who do live here 94 00:05:13,999 --> 00:05:12,200 Brian summers night in Miami 95 00:05:16,390 --> 00:05:14,009 the town's inhabitants are beginning to 96 00:05:19,659 --> 00:05:16,400 turn in for the night 97 00:05:21,430 --> 00:05:19,669 500 miles away united states air defense 98 00:05:23,939 --> 00:05:21,440 system suddenly register an unknown 99 00:05:27,100 --> 00:05:23,949 object flying over the Gulf of Mexico 100 00:05:30,290 --> 00:05:27,110 streaking across the sky in over 2,500 101 00:05:32,340 --> 00:05:30,300 miles per hour at an altitude 102 00:05:34,740 --> 00:05:32,350 thousand feet 103 00:05:37,140 --> 00:05:34,750 holding one thing's for certain this is 104 00:05:38,970 --> 00:05:37,150 not something man-made 105 00:05:41,580 --> 00:05:38,980 initial indications are that it's 106 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:41,590 probably nothing more than a media put 107 00:05:46,620 --> 00:05:44,650 60 seconds later it becomes clear that's 108 00:05:48,450 --> 00:05:46,630 impossible 109 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:48,460 this object was travelling and 110 00:05:54,530 --> 00:05:50,890 descending through steps unlike that of 111 00:05:56,570 --> 00:05:54,540 a meteor in Canada for more of an art 112 00:06:00,440 --> 00:05:56,580 the object of parents headed on a course 113 00:06:03,119 --> 00:06:00,450 towards corpus christi texas american 114 00:06:05,699 --> 00:06:03,129 air defense systems aren't alerted 115 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:05,709 suddenly the unidentified flying object 116 00:06:13,310 --> 00:06:08,289 is left it enters Mexican airspace just 117 00:06:21,010 --> 00:06:15,560 the US continues tracking the puzzling 118 00:06:25,809 --> 00:06:23,379 capelin isn't seen on radar is a small 119 00:06:27,770 --> 00:06:25,819 craft headed on a trajectory towards the 120 00:06:30,050 --> 00:06:27,780 UFO 121 00:06:33,110 --> 00:06:30,060 it's also interesting about this case is 122 00:06:36,020 --> 00:06:33,120 about the same time as this UFO was 123 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:36,030 zigging and zagging there was a plane 124 00:06:40,550 --> 00:06:38,370 that was leaving El Paso headed towards 125 00:06:42,470 --> 00:06:40,560 Mexico Steve 126 00:06:45,830 --> 00:06:42,480 the small civilian plane in El Paso 127 00:06:51,969 --> 00:06:45,840 heads toward Mexico's capital city but 128 00:06:57,110 --> 00:06:54,890 at the same time the American military 129 00:07:02,870 --> 00:06:57,120 watches and the unidentified flying 130 00:07:04,629 --> 00:07:02,880 object disappears from radar it appears 131 00:07:06,650 --> 00:07:04,639 that the unthinkable has happened 132 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:06,660 there's an assumption that there was a 133 00:07:14,029 --> 00:07:09,650 collision of some type where both the 134 00:07:16,430 --> 00:07:14,039 graph and the plane had collided the 135 00:07:17,870 --> 00:07:16,440 following morning nine hours after the 136 00:07:20,719 --> 00:07:17,880 civilian plane disappeared over the 137 00:07:23,420 --> 00:07:20,729 desert on Mexican recovery team hunts 138 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:25,790 across the border american intelligence 139 00:07:32,510 --> 00:07:29,970 listens in the americans intercept a 140 00:07:34,130 --> 00:07:32,520 mexican military radio report the 141 00:07:37,580 --> 00:07:34,140 wreckage of the missing planes been 142 00:07:39,860 --> 00:07:37,590 spotted just outside Kayani moments 143 00:07:43,450 --> 00:07:39,870 later another report shockingly 144 00:07:47,529 --> 00:07:43,460 announces the sighting of a second 145 00:07:50,350 --> 00:07:47,539 but this is no plain Mexican recovery 146 00:07:54,490 --> 00:07:50,360 team finds a sort of a silver shaped 147 00:07:56,589 --> 00:07:54,500 classic disk some 16 feet 5 inches about 148 00:07:59,710 --> 00:07:56,599 five feet thick contacts on both sides 149 00:08:02,680 --> 00:07:59,720 sort of like saucers the saucers surface 150 00:08:05,260 --> 00:08:02,690 has the appearance of polished steel it 151 00:08:09,070 --> 00:08:05,270 has no markings no lights and there are 152 00:08:11,650 --> 00:08:09,080 nobody's inside however it does appear 153 00:08:13,330 --> 00:08:11,660 to be damaged in two spots possibly 154 00:08:16,290 --> 00:08:13,340 caused by a collision with civilian 155 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:16,300 plane and then falling to the ground 156 00:08:24,330 --> 00:08:19,490 immediately Mexican officials declare 157 00:08:28,860 --> 00:08:27,120 meanwhile he was officially reach out to 158 00:08:30,580 --> 00:08:28,870 the mexican government offering 159 00:08:35,050 --> 00:08:30,590 assistance in the recovery 160 00:08:37,420 --> 00:08:35,060 their offer is met with a denial the 161 00:08:40,690 --> 00:08:37,430 Mexican government denied it they said 162 00:08:42,670 --> 00:08:40,700 now all we have is just a plane wreckage 163 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:42,680 while the Mexican team collects the 164 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:45,290 crash debris United States is busy 165 00:08:51,079 --> 00:08:47,210 assembling their own elite recovery 166 00:08:57,480 --> 00:08:53,989 the team includes four helicopters three 167 00:09:00,030 --> 00:08:57,490 small duties and a large sea study 168 00:09:03,830 --> 00:09:00,040 the team is placed on standby while US 169 00:09:08,900 --> 00:09:05,780 the US was keeping tabs again through 170 00:09:11,870 --> 00:09:08,910 its spy world what I call these I 171 00:09:13,940 --> 00:09:11,880 surveillance network through your 172 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:13,950 satellite surveillance as well as 173 00:09:18,860 --> 00:09:15,930 airplanes and flying over at low 174 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:18,870 altitude American surveillance reveals 175 00:09:22,970 --> 00:09:20,850 that the Mexicans have placed the ufl 176 00:09:25,129 --> 00:09:22,980 when a flatbed cook and moved from the 177 00:09:27,619 --> 00:09:25,139 crash site 178 00:09:30,410 --> 00:09:27,629 enzyme say satellite photos would take 179 00:09:33,499 --> 00:09:30,420 him to reveal a startling discovery the 180 00:09:34,889 --> 00:09:33,509 Mexican convoy has stopped something has 181 00:09:36,689 --> 00:09:34,899 gone wrong 182 00:09:40,470 --> 00:09:36,699 they were able to see there were a 183 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:40,480 number of dead bodies which lid than to 184 00:09:44,970 --> 00:09:42,610 believe that something extraordinary had 185 00:09:47,100 --> 00:09:44,980 happened he was officials green like 186 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:47,110 their rescue team four helicopters 187 00:09:57,129 --> 00:09:54,439 one of the things that seems obvious in 188 00:10:00,009 --> 00:09:57,139 this case is that the government the US 189 00:10:01,869 --> 00:10:00,019 government very expertly 190 00:10:04,809 --> 00:10:01,879 quickly and very organized that this 191 00:10:07,269 --> 00:10:04,819 team is 74 twists and in no time we're 192 00:10:11,180 --> 00:10:07,279 down there on site the covering this 193 00:10:15,610 --> 00:10:12,980 but from nothing will prepare the 194 00:10:18,740 --> 00:10:15,620 Americans for what they are not find 195 00:10:20,720 --> 00:10:18,750 dressed in bio protection suits the 196 00:10:24,220 --> 00:10:20,730 American soldiers approach the silent 197 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:24,230 convoy and find all the Mexicans dead 198 00:10:29,390 --> 00:10:26,970 there is no time to investigate what 199 00:10:32,230 --> 00:10:29,400 killed the Mexican team but UFO 200 00:10:35,290 --> 00:10:32,240 researchers have their theories 201 00:10:38,110 --> 00:10:35,300 they somehow came in contact with a a 202 00:10:41,710 --> 00:10:38,120 lethal agent of bacteriological agent 203 00:10:44,170 --> 00:10:41,720 that was out of this world or an 204 00:10:46,690 --> 00:10:44,180 extraterrestrial biological agent of 205 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:46,700 some sort that cable which is my 206 00:10:51,850 --> 00:10:49,250 favorite fear the US recovery team 207 00:10:54,550 --> 00:10:51,860 quickly tends to business it finds the 208 00:10:57,600 --> 00:10:54,560 16-foot wide silver UFO strapped to the 209 00:10:59,759 --> 00:10:57,610 back of the flatbed truck 210 00:11:01,949 --> 00:10:59,769 the straps are reconfigured and 211 00:11:04,199 --> 00:11:01,959 connected to a cargo cable from the sea 212 00:11:06,569 --> 00:11:04,209 stallion helicopter 213 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:06,579 I've safely secured the estimated 214 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:14,860 for the sauce of God the team 215 00:11:18,700 --> 00:11:16,490 immediately turns their attention to the 216 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:18,710 remaining evidence the plane wreckage 217 00:11:25,300 --> 00:11:21,410 vehicles from the convoy and mexican 218 00:11:30,490 --> 00:11:28,330 they gathered the debris the bodies from 219 00:11:33,730 --> 00:11:30,500 the Mexican recovery team and they 220 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:33,740 exploded them with high explosives the 221 00:11:38,500 --> 00:11:35,090 reason why is too high to have an 222 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:38,510 instant they were done the recovery team 223 00:11:44,500 --> 00:11:41,330 heads back to base where the UFO was 224 00:11:47,530 --> 00:11:44,510 taken it unknown some have speculated it 225 00:11:49,510 --> 00:11:47,540 one for bliss or wright-patterson Air 226 00:11:54,770 --> 00:11:49,520 Force Base 227 00:12:00,080 --> 00:11:54,780 if this 1974 UFO crash was real there 228 00:12:02,090 --> 00:12:00,090 was no evidence to prove it okay and 229 00:12:06,410 --> 00:12:02,100 that's how it all began fascinating 230 00:12:08,150 --> 00:12:06,420 story and although Rubin who deftly and 231 00:12:12,020 --> 00:12:08,160 I wrote the first book about it and 232 00:12:14,210 --> 00:12:12,030 subsequently did several TV shows and 233 00:12:17,120 --> 00:12:14,220 have been on the radio a bunch of times 234 00:12:19,990 --> 00:12:17,130 and followed up with two more books 235 00:12:23,150 --> 00:12:20,000 about it we weren't the ones who 236 00:12:25,250 --> 00:12:23,160 originated the story and so we're going 237 00:12:28,220 --> 00:12:25,260 to start off tonight i'm going to give 238 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:28,230 you an overview of where the story came 239 00:12:36,740 --> 00:12:34,170 from so we're going to go with that the 240 00:12:39,410 --> 00:12:36,750 first printed record of this incident 241 00:12:42,890 --> 00:12:39,420 actually occurred in a very interesting 242 00:12:45,650 --> 00:12:42,900 document by one of the pioneering UFO 243 00:12:50,030 --> 00:12:45,660 researchers in North America Leonard 244 00:12:52,640 --> 00:12:50,040 Stringfield Leonard Stringfield was one 245 00:12:58,070 --> 00:12:52,650 of the first UFO investigators who 246 00:13:02,180 --> 00:12:58,080 proposed the concept that they're most 247 00:13:04,340 --> 00:13:02,190 likely had been UFO crashes you know he 248 00:13:08,330 --> 00:13:04,350 started talking about UFO crashes before 249 00:13:11,690 --> 00:13:08,340 Roswell the Roswell incident became 250 00:13:13,910 --> 00:13:11,700 known and before anybody much was 251 00:13:16,670 --> 00:13:13,920 talking about anything other than lights 252 00:13:19,130 --> 00:13:16,680 in the sky you know there were 253 00:13:21,740 --> 00:13:19,140 occasional Close Encounters of the Third 254 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:21,750 Kind like betty and barney hill in the 255 00:13:27,770 --> 00:13:25,170 early 60s but for the most part until 256 00:13:30,710 --> 00:13:27,780 Leonard Stringfield came along very 257 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:30,720 little attention had been paid to hey 258 00:13:39,380 --> 00:13:33,210 this stuff could crash these people are 259 00:13:44,030 --> 00:13:39,390 not gods they are not somehow immune 260 00:13:46,910 --> 00:13:44,040 from having accidents accidents such as 261 00:13:49,940 --> 00:13:46,920 in the example of Roswell it's believed 262 00:13:52,880 --> 00:13:49,950 that there was a lightning strike during 263 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:52,890 an intense lightning storm out in the 264 00:13:59,210 --> 00:13:55,050 desert that bought the craft at Roswell 265 00:14:00,100 --> 00:13:59,220 down in other cases the US military has 266 00:14:04,180 --> 00:14:00,110 been 267 00:14:07,530 --> 00:14:04,190 brought some of these craft down so 268 00:14:10,630 --> 00:14:07,540 anyway stringfield's philosophy was 269 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:10,640 these objects are seen all over the 270 00:14:15,100 --> 00:14:13,250 planet it's likely that some of them 271 00:14:17,769 --> 00:14:15,110 have crashed and some of these stories 272 00:14:23,110 --> 00:14:17,779 about UFOs crashing and material being 273 00:14:28,269 --> 00:14:23,120 retrieved are probably true well this is 274 00:14:32,290 --> 00:14:28,279 what Leonard Stringfield said in the 275 00:14:35,139 --> 00:14:32,300 late 1970s early 80s he said in my 276 00:14:39,850 --> 00:14:35,149 judgment there seems to be a legitimacy 277 00:14:42,790 --> 00:14:39,860 to the 1974 chihuahua crash report the 278 00:14:46,030 --> 00:14:42,800 Chihuahua report came to me from Elaine 279 00:14:48,069 --> 00:14:46,040 Douglas of Washington DC who by the way 280 00:14:50,650 --> 00:14:48,079 it was a major contributor to our first 281 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:50,660 book Mexico's Roswell and wrote an 282 00:14:57,370 --> 00:14:52,970 entire section which we published word 283 00:14:59,110 --> 00:14:57,380 for word from her the late Elaine 284 00:15:03,850 --> 00:14:59,120 Douglas who unfortunately passed away 285 00:15:05,860 --> 00:15:03,860 about a year and a half ago Ruben we 286 00:15:08,920 --> 00:15:05,870 were very sorry to hear about that but 287 00:15:11,439 --> 00:15:08,930 anyway the Chihuahua report was given 288 00:15:14,860 --> 00:15:11,449 from was given by Elaine Douglas who 289 00:15:19,199 --> 00:15:14,870 received it in a mail-in in her mail as 290 00:15:22,150 --> 00:15:19,209 an anonymous letter it was given to 291 00:15:27,910 --> 00:15:22,160 pioneering crash retrieval researcher 292 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:27,920 Leonard Stringfield in 9th in July 1993 293 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:30,170 so receiving it in the mail in the 294 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:31,250 summer of nineteen ninety-three 295 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:34,610 postmarked Santa Ana California she said 296 00:15:42,150 --> 00:15:37,370 it came probably as a result of 297 00:15:45,009 --> 00:15:42,160 publicity following a March that 298 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:45,019 Elaine's organization had done to 299 00:15:49,810 --> 00:15:47,810 promote the idea that the government 300 00:15:56,889 --> 00:15:49,820 should give up some of its top secret 301 00:15:59,740 --> 00:15:56,899 UFO files so he goes on to say and I'm 302 00:16:01,660 --> 00:15:59,750 going to skip to the last paragraph one 303 00:16:04,030 --> 00:16:01,670 compelling reason I believe the report 304 00:16:06,660 --> 00:16:04,040 is worthy of space in this status report 305 00:16:09,930 --> 00:16:06,670 is based on my recollection that I heard 306 00:16:13,470 --> 00:16:09,940 of the Chihuahua case before either in 307 00:16:15,950 --> 00:16:13,480 the late 1970s or early 1980s so that's 308 00:16:20,100 --> 00:16:15,960 the reference that I was talking about 309 00:16:22,590 --> 00:16:20,110 that Leonard Stringfield who was very 310 00:16:25,380 --> 00:16:22,600 much into the crash retrieval research 311 00:16:29,370 --> 00:16:25,390 had heard about Chihuahua as early as a 312 00:16:32,100 --> 00:16:29,380 late 1970s the only detail I vaguely 313 00:16:34,530 --> 00:16:32,110 recall is that a US military team had 314 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:34,540 covertly crossed into Mexico to retrieve 315 00:16:42,090 --> 00:16:39,130 the object well as we elaborate on the 316 00:16:44,370 --> 00:16:42,100 story we find out that that covert 317 00:16:47,100 --> 00:16:44,380 intrusion into Mexico occurred 318 00:16:49,710 --> 00:16:47,110 approximately 40 miles from here and it 319 00:16:53,970 --> 00:16:49,720 was a helicopter convoy out of Fort 320 00:16:56,130 --> 00:16:53,980 Bliss army base in El Paso the 321 00:16:58,650 --> 00:16:56,140 helicopters came straight down the Rio 322 00:17:01,170 --> 00:16:58,660 Grande River on the Texas side until 323 00:17:04,050 --> 00:17:01,180 they got to the small community of 324 00:17:07,710 --> 00:17:04,060 kondal area which is just northwest of 325 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:07,720 here and once they hit the northern 326 00:17:13,110 --> 00:17:10,090 outskirts of candelaria they cut into 327 00:17:19,170 --> 00:17:13,120 Mexico and went made straight for the 328 00:17:20,970 --> 00:17:19,180 UFO crash site so this is just part of 329 00:17:25,470 --> 00:17:20,980 the Deneb report which is about two 330 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:25,480 pages long and this was what was 331 00:17:35,910 --> 00:17:31,690 received by mail by washington DC UFO 332 00:17:38,220 --> 00:17:35,920 researcher elaine douglas now this is 333 00:17:41,610 --> 00:17:38,230 very interesting two days before we left 334 00:17:45,300 --> 00:17:41,620 for to come here I got a call from the 335 00:17:49,820 --> 00:17:45,310 lady who inherited or received all of 336 00:17:53,670 --> 00:17:49,830 the documents that Elaine had about UFOs 337 00:17:55,830 --> 00:17:53,680 you know after she died they passed that 338 00:17:57,980 --> 00:17:55,840 they were passed along to her so she's 339 00:18:01,290 --> 00:17:57,990 now the custodian of all of the lane 340 00:18:03,120 --> 00:18:01,300 Douglases materials Andrew even Ruben 341 00:18:06,450 --> 00:18:03,130 doesn't know this i was planning to 342 00:18:08,580 --> 00:18:06,460 surprise him about so i got a cult about 343 00:18:12,930 --> 00:18:08,590 three days ago two days before we left 344 00:18:16,230 --> 00:18:12,940 and the lady who now holds all the 345 00:18:19,750 --> 00:18:16,240 documents told me we found several items 346 00:18:22,730 --> 00:18:19,760 pertaining to the chihuahua UFO crash 347 00:18:25,789 --> 00:18:22,740 and she sent me one of them she scanned 348 00:18:27,830 --> 00:18:25,799 and emailed it to me and Elaine had 349 00:18:30,500 --> 00:18:27,840 written little comments in the margins 350 00:18:32,330 --> 00:18:30,510 about how she thought this was a very 351 00:18:35,360 --> 00:18:32,340 interesting case and she needed to 352 00:18:39,590 --> 00:18:35,370 follow up on it so it was something that 353 00:18:42,980 --> 00:18:39,600 was in her in her thinking until the 354 00:18:46,070 --> 00:18:42,990 very end of her life and unfortunately 355 00:18:48,950 --> 00:18:46,080 she developed breast cancer and and lost 356 00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:48,960 her struggle with it otherwise we might 357 00:18:58,820 --> 00:18:55,770 have found out more about this so as I 358 00:19:02,240 --> 00:18:58,830 mentioned once Rubin and I you know 359 00:19:04,430 --> 00:19:02,250 started talking about this and we we 360 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:04,440 actually nobody had actually taken the 361 00:19:08,930 --> 00:19:06,210 Deneb report that was received in the 362 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:08,940 mail by Elaine and and then later 363 00:19:13,730 --> 00:19:11,010 Leonard Stringfield nobody had actually 364 00:19:16,100 --> 00:19:13,740 taken that and traced it out and tried 365 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:16,110 to find witnesses tried to talk to 366 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:17,850 people in the area where it supposedly 367 00:19:23,659 --> 00:19:20,490 happened you know nothing had been done 368 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:23,669 along those lines until Rubin and I 369 00:19:31,159 --> 00:19:28,890 stumbled into the picture and we we went 370 00:19:34,010 --> 00:19:31,169 down there by ourselves a couple of 371 00:19:36,919 --> 00:19:34,020 times to the coyame area where this 372 00:19:38,870 --> 00:19:36,929 happened then the history channel paid 373 00:19:42,230 --> 00:19:38,880 for us to go we weren't about to turn 374 00:19:47,030 --> 00:19:42,240 down free trip there and we did more 375 00:19:49,490 --> 00:19:47,040 research and then we're hoping to go 376 00:19:53,360 --> 00:19:49,500 this coming summer for the tri 377 00:19:55,220 --> 00:19:53,370 centennial celebration as dr. Morales 378 00:19:59,260 --> 00:19:55,230 mentioned this morning the city of 379 00:20:05,000 --> 00:19:59,270 koyama is having its try Centennial on 380 00:20:08,570 --> 00:20:05,010 jun 20th June twentieth 24 jun 24th and 381 00:20:11,530 --> 00:20:08,580 they're going to have festival and music 382 00:20:14,060 --> 00:20:11,540 and they're also invited ruben and me 383 00:20:15,500 --> 00:20:14,070 because we have represented their town 384 00:20:18,590 --> 00:20:15,510 well apparently 385 00:20:21,830 --> 00:20:18,600 in the media and in books and we're 386 00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:21,840 going to be speaking there so this story 387 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:26,610 has been covered these are just a few of 388 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:29,970 words been covered UFO FILES did an 389 00:20:37,330 --> 00:20:34,050 episode in 2007 UFOs of the 1970s which 390 00:20:43,490 --> 00:20:37,340 you just watched a clip from UFO hunters 391 00:20:45,710 --> 00:20:43,500 Larry King Live contacto extraterrestre 392 00:20:48,590 --> 00:20:45,720 which is a Spanish history channel show 393 00:20:50,660 --> 00:20:48,600 and most recently and I'm kind of 394 00:20:55,250 --> 00:20:50,670 embarrassed to mention this because they 395 00:20:57,560 --> 00:20:55,260 got a lot of the facts wrong and neither 396 00:21:02,300 --> 00:20:57,570 Ruben no I were asked to contribute to 397 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:02,310 it but hangar 1 also covered that you 398 00:21:07,460 --> 00:21:04,850 all will crash you had a comment Ruben 399 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:07,470 just want to share with the audience 400 00:21:12,050 --> 00:21:10,050 that both know Lee and I have been 401 00:21:14,450 --> 00:21:12,060 working very extensively to with the 402 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:14,460 Mexican investigators there are several 403 00:21:19,730 --> 00:21:17,010 organizations in Chihuahua that have 404 00:21:21,950 --> 00:21:19,740 also have focused attention on this so 405 00:21:23,570 --> 00:21:21,960 we've been collaborating information as 406 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:23,580 well in fact right now they're having a 407 00:21:30,740 --> 00:21:26,010 UFO conference in the city of Chihuahua 408 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:30,750 and we and we in so we work together but 409 00:21:35,060 --> 00:21:32,730 at the same time we're trying to educate 410 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:35,070 the public as to what are what's going 411 00:21:40,100 --> 00:21:37,410 on in this part of the country on both 412 00:21:42,790 --> 00:21:40,110 sides of the border so it's been an 413 00:21:44,900 --> 00:21:42,800 interesting journey for us and ill since 414 00:21:46,910 --> 00:21:44,910 will share with you some of the 415 00:21:48,890 --> 00:21:46,920 interesting information that was passed 416 00:21:51,380 --> 00:21:48,900 down to us and that's interesting no 417 00:21:53,930 --> 00:21:51,390 heed about Elaine Douglas those notes 418 00:21:56,030 --> 00:21:53,940 I'm real excited about that says Rubens 419 00:21:58,610 --> 00:21:56,040 birthday was last weekend I wanted to 420 00:22:01,010 --> 00:21:58,620 give him a surprise birthday present new 421 00:22:03,770 --> 00:22:01,020 information about the case that even he 422 00:22:09,740 --> 00:22:03,780 didn't know about by the way happy 423 00:22:14,539 --> 00:22:09,750 birthday thank you 50 now you're 50 of 424 00:22:20,010 --> 00:22:17,279 alright so we have books many books 425 00:22:22,919 --> 00:22:20,020 everybody has jumped on it after Reuben 426 00:22:26,700 --> 00:22:22,929 and I published Mexico's Rosalyn 2007 427 00:22:30,360 --> 00:22:26,710 we've had of course we did a second 428 00:22:33,450 --> 00:22:30,370 edition we did the coyame UFO incident 429 00:22:35,549 --> 00:22:33,460 which is our latest book because there 430 00:22:37,169 --> 00:22:35,559 was so much new information and there 431 00:22:39,659 --> 00:22:37,179 were so many other witnesses that had 432 00:22:43,139 --> 00:22:39,669 come forward so we totally redid the 433 00:22:45,950 --> 00:22:43,149 story in the coma incident then Kevin 434 00:22:48,690 --> 00:22:45,960 Randall jumped in and bill burns and a 435 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:48,700 whole bunch of other people so it's been 436 00:22:58,139 --> 00:22:54,490 mentioned in quite a number of books so 437 00:23:00,180 --> 00:22:58,149 the story is out there and a lot of 438 00:23:02,279 --> 00:23:00,190 people talking about it most of them 439 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:02,289 refer to the original document but 440 00:23:11,250 --> 00:23:04,570 nobody has actually been down there and 441 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:11,260 spoken to people you know so Reuben and 442 00:23:17,519 --> 00:23:13,570 I still think that it was pretty cool to 443 00:23:20,850 --> 00:23:17,529 have been the primary original people 444 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:20,860 who followed up on what had previously 445 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:25,210 only been kind of a rumor as a result of 446 00:23:29,370 --> 00:23:27,970 the research that we've been doing one 447 00:23:34,139 --> 00:23:29,380 of the things that we started to find 448 00:23:36,269 --> 00:23:34,149 out was this wasn't the only crash that 449 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:36,279 had occurred along the border we came 450 00:23:42,630 --> 00:23:40,210 across other cases the historical cases 451 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:42,640 and we have another one that happened in 452 00:23:48,630 --> 00:23:45,490 del real 1955 another case that happened 453 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:48,640 near more Adel in 1948 so this is what's 454 00:23:56,610 --> 00:23:50,890 interesting is the more research we dig 455 00:23:58,919 --> 00:23:56,620 into and we're finding a trail so we are 456 00:24:04,590 --> 00:23:58,929 this is a detective story and there's 457 00:24:06,899 --> 00:24:04,600 more coming together on this ok so now 458 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:06,909 here's the latest twist regarding our 459 00:24:13,470 --> 00:24:10,210 story we've been contacted by a lady who 460 00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:13,480 writes screenplays and her name is Anna 461 00:24:18,389 --> 00:24:16,570 Maria Lisa Manalo and she is currently 462 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:18,399 working on a script with our permission 463 00:24:21,390 --> 00:24:20,890 we signed an agreement to turn our book 464 00:24:23,970 --> 00:24:21,400 the 465 00:24:28,380 --> 00:24:23,980 oyama incident into a major motion 466 00:24:30,690 --> 00:24:28,390 picture screen play so the story will be 467 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:30,700 fictionalized I'll say that right at the 468 00:24:36,090 --> 00:24:33,490 right at the top as happens a lot of 469 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:36,100 times with Hollywood motion pictures and 470 00:24:43,980 --> 00:24:41,170 David can attest to this the reality or 471 00:24:46,260 --> 00:24:43,990 the truth of what actually happened 472 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:46,270 really isn't sufficient to draw 473 00:24:52,740 --> 00:24:49,810 audiences and to make money for the 474 00:24:55,770 --> 00:24:52,750 movie makers so some elements of fiction 475 00:24:58,260 --> 00:24:55,780 will be introduced case in point fire in 476 00:25:02,370 --> 00:24:58,270 the sky the movie about Travis Waltons 477 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:02,380 experience many others even the Roswell 478 00:25:09,630 --> 00:25:07,090 the Roswell Roswell the movie which was 479 00:25:12,290 --> 00:25:09,640 very faithful to the Roswell incident 480 00:25:15,870 --> 00:25:12,300 story but it did include some some 481 00:25:17,690 --> 00:25:15,880 fictionalized material as well for 482 00:25:22,050 --> 00:25:17,700 instance Jesse Marcel never actually 483 00:25:24,030 --> 00:25:22,060 attended a reunion of the 50 ninth bomb 484 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:24,040 wing as is depicted at the beginning of 485 00:25:32,490 --> 00:25:29,490 the movie so anyway this new screenplay 486 00:25:35,100 --> 00:25:32,500 the elements of the coyame UFO story 487 00:25:40,830 --> 00:25:35,110 will be will be there but there will be 488 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:40,840 elements of fiction as well of course as 489 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:42,730 david has pointed out to us just because 490 00:25:48,530 --> 00:25:44,650 you have a screenplay doesn't mean 491 00:25:52,830 --> 00:25:48,540 anything will ever be done with it and 492 00:25:55,470 --> 00:25:52,840 it's it's you know it it could someday 493 00:25:57,030 --> 00:25:55,480 take off or not I know Stanton Friedman 494 00:26:00,030 --> 00:25:57,040 has a couple of his books that have been 495 00:26:02,700 --> 00:26:00,040 in the process of becoming movies for 496 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:02,710 many years and of course he's one of the 497 00:26:08,970 --> 00:26:05,850 world's leading authorities on UFOs so 498 00:26:12,360 --> 00:26:08,980 so everything starts with a UFO sighting 499 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:12,370 off the Texas Gulf Coast radar stations 500 00:26:17,100 --> 00:26:14,650 along the Gulf Coast of Texas around 501 00:26:19,830 --> 00:26:17,110 Corpus Christi Corpus Christi Naval Air 502 00:26:25,140 --> 00:26:19,840 Station detected this object that was 503 00:26:29,220 --> 00:26:25,150 traveling at over 2,000 miles per hour 504 00:26:30,360 --> 00:26:29,230 originally and at about 75,000 feet in 505 00:26:33,270 --> 00:26:30,370 altitude 506 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:33,280 it began slowing down it began dropping 507 00:26:39,900 --> 00:26:37,570 in altitude to about 45,000 feet and it 508 00:26:42,690 --> 00:26:39,910 came down under 2,000 miles per hour and 509 00:26:45,740 --> 00:26:42,700 it made if you'll notice on this map it 510 00:26:49,140 --> 00:26:45,750 made kind of a 90-degree angle turn 511 00:26:52,470 --> 00:26:49,150 first seem to be headed toward south of 512 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:52,480 Corpus just south of kingsville drop 513 00:26:59,880 --> 00:26:55,570 down and then down here made another 90 514 00:27:03,120 --> 00:26:59,890 degree angle turn and cut into Mexico so 515 00:27:05,220 --> 00:27:03,130 that is your route that was followed the 516 00:27:09,090 --> 00:27:05,230 object done streaked across some under 517 00:27:11,970 --> 00:27:09,100 the least populated areas of northern 518 00:27:14,010 --> 00:27:11,980 Mexico with the possible exception of 519 00:27:17,610 --> 00:27:14,020 coming very close to New avila devil 520 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:17,620 right in here but mostly it seemed to 521 00:27:23,850 --> 00:27:21,730 shy away from populated areas during its 522 00:27:26,730 --> 00:27:23,860 run it went through an area of Mexico 523 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:26,740 known as the zona del silenzio which is 524 00:27:31,230 --> 00:27:29,170 not far from here that's an area of 525 00:27:33,780 --> 00:27:31,240 Mexico has been called Mexico's Bermuda 526 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:33,790 Triangle because compasses will spin 527 00:27:39,780 --> 00:27:36,730 wildly radio communications will fail 528 00:27:41,610 --> 00:27:39,790 the instrumentation on airplanes that 529 00:27:44,940 --> 00:27:41,620 are over flying the area will suddenly 530 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:44,950 go out of control and there have been 531 00:27:50,370 --> 00:27:48,250 numerous UFO sightings in that area of 532 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:50,380 Mexico throughout the year so that's the 533 00:27:56,580 --> 00:27:53,770 zona del silenzio which is kind of south 534 00:28:01,260 --> 00:27:56,590 of where we are today and the right 535 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:01,270 about here you know Del Rio's around 536 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:05,250 here and then right around there the 537 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:09,010 disappeared from her I'm sorry Del Rio's 538 00:28:16,290 --> 00:28:14,170 over here Presidio's here and then there 539 00:28:18,570 --> 00:28:16,300 was this mid-air collision between the 540 00:28:20,630 --> 00:28:18,580 two objects because they suddenly both 541 00:28:26,430 --> 00:28:20,640 objects that had been tracked on radar 542 00:28:28,230 --> 00:28:26,440 were disappearing all right this was a 543 00:28:31,500 --> 00:28:28,240 slight I hoped I had put in here there 544 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:31,510 were there were three long-range radar 545 00:28:37,830 --> 00:28:34,210 sites in 1974 that you see listed here 546 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:37,840 and so the tracking capabilities were 547 00:28:42,910 --> 00:28:38,890 good 548 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:42,920 and that's how the progress of the 549 00:28:53,620 --> 00:28:51,650 objects were being followed and what 550 00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:53,630 about the the plane that it crashed into 551 00:28:58,630 --> 00:28:55,730 well we know that it was a small plane 552 00:29:01,510 --> 00:28:58,640 and it came out of El Paso International 553 00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:01,520 Airport people always ask us if there 554 00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:03,170 was any sort of information that's been 555 00:29:09,070 --> 00:29:06,290 found on who was the airplane owner or 556 00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:09,080 operator or who were the passengers and 557 00:29:14,710 --> 00:29:12,410 the answer is no we don't know if that 558 00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:14,720 information disappeared subsequently in 559 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:19,330 some sort of cover-up or the other 560 00:29:25,150 --> 00:29:22,610 possibility that has been brought 561 00:29:26,890 --> 00:29:25,160 forward is that the plane was involved 562 00:29:29,470 --> 00:29:26,900 in some kind of illegal activity perhaps 563 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:29,480 drug trafficking and they didn't want to 564 00:29:34,660 --> 00:29:32,450 be you know they wanted to have a little 565 00:29:40,420 --> 00:29:34,670 information about them known as possible 566 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:40,430 so we don't know but one interesting 567 00:29:46,210 --> 00:29:43,730 thing we did find out is that small 568 00:29:50,350 --> 00:29:46,220 planes carrying contraband such as 569 00:29:53,110 --> 00:29:50,360 illegal drugs was a common occurrence in 570 00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:53,120 this area it would happen frequently in 571 00:30:00,700 --> 00:29:56,450 the 70s and even afterward so there is 572 00:30:02,730 --> 00:30:00,710 that possibility that that could have 573 00:30:09,670 --> 00:30:02,740 been a drug-related drug running plane 574 00:30:12,220 --> 00:30:09,680 did you have a comment luminaire okay so 575 00:30:14,260 --> 00:30:12,230 where did exactly did this happen well 576 00:30:20,170 --> 00:30:14,270 the area of the crash is shown on this 577 00:30:27,940 --> 00:30:20,180 map here is presidio here's a small 578 00:30:31,330 --> 00:30:27,950 community of koyama and then the here's 579 00:30:33,940 --> 00:30:31,340 candelaria by the way and right in here 580 00:30:36,340 --> 00:30:33,950 is the area of the crash 581 00:30:40,659 --> 00:30:36,350 as close as we can figure based on the 582 00:30:42,279 --> 00:30:40,669 trajectory of both both craft as 583 00:30:44,529 --> 00:30:42,289 mentioned in the dental report in 584 00:30:47,379 --> 00:30:44,539 talking to witnesses out here in the 585 00:30:52,450 --> 00:30:47,389 chihuahuan desert and talking to 586 00:30:56,070 --> 00:30:52,460 observers from candelaria who will be 587 00:30:58,570 --> 00:30:56,080 talking more about in a few minutes we 588 00:31:00,629 --> 00:30:58,580 estimate the area of the crash could be 589 00:31:03,659 --> 00:31:00,639 anywhere within this shaded circle 590 00:31:06,190 --> 00:31:03,669 possibly somewhere near the center of it 591 00:31:09,070 --> 00:31:06,200 so that's quite a distance away from 592 00:31:11,529 --> 00:31:09,080 coyame it's probably as close to the 593 00:31:16,210 --> 00:31:11,539 town of schoolio me as it is to presidio 594 00:31:19,090 --> 00:31:16,220 in Ojinaga so you know it's called the 595 00:31:22,149 --> 00:31:19,100 kalama incident but once again that 596 00:31:24,549 --> 00:31:22,159 refers to the to the county or as they 597 00:31:31,330 --> 00:31:24,559 call it in mexico municipality of koyama 598 00:31:36,009 --> 00:31:31,340 which is a huge area so Brad in black 599 00:31:39,879 --> 00:31:36,019 our wonderful host for this series got 600 00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:39,889 up in a plane and took pictures quite 601 00:31:46,690 --> 00:31:44,210 the photographer and this is the area of 602 00:31:51,519 --> 00:31:46,700 the crash of the mid-air collision we 603 00:32:00,790 --> 00:31:51,529 suspect how was it to fly up there Brad 604 00:32:07,910 --> 00:32:04,070 he says it was fun it was just a regular 605 00:32:09,830 --> 00:32:07,920 plane flight and and he took he took 606 00:32:11,270 --> 00:32:09,840 some real nice pictures was it a problem 607 00:32:16,580 --> 00:32:11,280 getting permission from the Mexican 608 00:32:19,250 --> 00:32:16,590 authorities to over fly flew along the 609 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:19,260 river and they took photography from the 610 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:24,450 river okay so here's a composite of two 611 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:29,490 of the pictures Brad took and you've got 612 00:32:34,070 --> 00:32:32,370 this area where we suspect the collision 613 00:32:36,430 --> 00:32:34,080 occurred and the wreckage was later 614 00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:36,440 found by the Mexican authorities and 615 00:32:47,570 --> 00:32:40,730 then taken over by the US authorities 616 00:32:49,610 --> 00:32:47,580 and one more slightly different view so 617 00:32:51,980 --> 00:32:49,620 what's really interesting is we talked 618 00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:51,990 to people who live who were living out 619 00:32:57,710 --> 00:32:54,690 in these ranches around here and a 620 00:32:59,630 --> 00:32:57,720 couple of them told us that in 1974 621 00:33:01,040 --> 00:32:59,640 around this time although then remember 622 00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:01,050 the exact time there was a huge 623 00:33:06,650 --> 00:33:04,530 explosion in the night one gentleman 624 00:33:09,010 --> 00:33:06,660 told us that the windows in his home 625 00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:09,020 rattle then he thought they had broken 626 00:33:15,350 --> 00:33:12,210 he also talked about many UFO sightings 627 00:33:17,780 --> 00:33:15,360 that he himself had had made note of he 628 00:33:21,860 --> 00:33:17,790 showed us this notebook both before and 629 00:33:24,290 --> 00:33:21,870 after but in particular after this 1974 630 00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:24,300 incident because it was it made him 631 00:33:29,150 --> 00:33:26,370 stand up and take notice that there's 632 00:33:30,860 --> 00:33:29,160 something weird going on there so the 633 00:33:33,950 --> 00:33:30,870 interesting thing was that Reuben and I 634 00:33:37,610 --> 00:33:33,960 wandered around the desert I tell ruben 635 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:37,620 our desert wanderings period so we 636 00:33:43,660 --> 00:33:39,690 wandered around the desert we talked to 637 00:33:46,850 --> 00:33:43,670 people we visited potential eyewitnesses 638 00:33:51,050 --> 00:33:46,860 we had never done anything on the US 639 00:33:53,270 --> 00:33:51,060 side so and then and then we caught a 640 00:33:55,370 --> 00:33:53,280 big break a couple of years ago which 641 00:33:57,800 --> 00:33:55,380 we're going to talk about because we had 642 00:34:01,820 --> 00:33:57,810 actual eyewitnesses from the Texas side 643 00:34:03,590 --> 00:34:01,830 of the Rio Grande anything you want to 644 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:03,600 add at this point Ruben 645 00:34:12,109 --> 00:34:07,890 oh just that the that area that we went 646 00:34:14,930 --> 00:34:12,119 into we went with a with a guide who was 647 00:34:17,210 --> 00:34:14,940 familiar with that area and there's many 648 00:34:22,340 --> 00:34:17,220 roads and as Noah's had mentioned many 649 00:34:25,340 --> 00:34:22,350 ranches and so was a again it was very 650 00:34:28,010 --> 00:34:25,350 interesting just meeting certain people 651 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:28,020 and it's very isolated area as you know 652 00:34:32,180 --> 00:34:30,330 it living in on this side of the border 653 00:34:34,909 --> 00:34:32,190 this will just a lot of space but over 654 00:34:42,500 --> 00:34:34,919 there is just a very beautiful but very 655 00:34:44,300 --> 00:34:42,510 eerie type of landscape so Reuben and I 656 00:34:47,540 --> 00:34:44,310 literally put our boots on the ground 657 00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:47,550 out in the chihuahuan desert and with 658 00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:49,530 the rattlesnakes and scorpions that you 659 00:34:55,250 --> 00:34:51,210 encounter out on the desert you want to 660 00:34:57,260 --> 00:34:55,260 have boots on so you have to be careful 661 00:35:02,630 --> 00:34:57,270 if you need to go out in the brush to 662 00:35:04,849 --> 00:35:02,640 take care of any business too so the 663 00:35:07,580 --> 00:35:04,859 Mexican soldiers out there after the 664 00:35:09,380 --> 00:35:07,590 crash reported a silver disk as you 665 00:35:12,859 --> 00:35:09,390 heard in the video that introduced our 666 00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:12,869 talk and these were the dimensions that 667 00:35:19,070 --> 00:35:16,050 are mentioned in the Deneb report 16 668 00:35:23,570 --> 00:35:19,080 feet 5 inches in diameter and 5 feet 669 00:35:25,730 --> 00:35:23,580 tall there were two interesting points 670 00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:25,740 on the hull of the ship there was a 671 00:35:35,720 --> 00:35:29,690 12-inch jagged hole and there was a 672 00:35:38,570 --> 00:35:35,730 24-inch diameter dent in the hall well 673 00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:38,580 when we heard that the Mexican retrieval 674 00:35:46,310 --> 00:35:42,690 team that arrived had all died perhaps 675 00:35:47,990 --> 00:35:46,320 as many as 24 soldiers Reuben and I 676 00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:48,000 speculated that maybe there was 677 00:35:54,050 --> 00:35:51,090 something venting out of this open area 678 00:35:57,980 --> 00:35:54,060 in the home you know maybe there was 679 00:36:00,490 --> 00:35:57,990 some kind of fume chemical you know who 680 00:36:03,349 --> 00:36:00,500 knows what kind of propulsion system 681 00:36:07,310 --> 00:36:03,359 perhaps something was venting out of 682 00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:07,320 that hole in the hull and that might 683 00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:09,330 have caused all of the Mexican soldiers 684 00:36:13,859 --> 00:36:12,330 to perish so that was one theory that we 685 00:36:17,050 --> 00:36:13,869 came up with 686 00:36:18,730 --> 00:36:17,060 we're not completely certain maybe they 687 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:18,740 were exposed to some type of radiation 688 00:36:23,980 --> 00:36:22,010 we know radiation has been found traces 689 00:36:28,210 --> 00:36:23,990 of radiation have been found at UFO 690 00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:28,220 landing sites and in other UFO cases so 691 00:36:39,970 --> 00:36:35,810 perhaps that so some of the most 692 00:36:43,810 --> 00:36:39,980 sophisticated listening and while spying 693 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:43,820 as a harsh word but okay spying assets 694 00:36:49,240 --> 00:36:47,930 that the u.s. had in place or that 695 00:36:53,970 --> 00:36:49,250 anywhere in the world's had in place 696 00:36:57,820 --> 00:36:53,980 were in El Paso Texas that was the big 697 00:37:00,609 --> 00:36:57,830 surveillance Center for electronic 698 00:37:03,070 --> 00:37:00,619 surveillance in 1974 they had one of the 699 00:37:07,300 --> 00:37:03,080 most sophisticated setups in the world 700 00:37:10,330 --> 00:37:07,310 and it appears that they were focusing 701 00:37:12,370 --> 00:37:10,340 in on what was going on right across the 702 00:37:16,030 --> 00:37:12,380 river from them and what they were 703 00:37:18,849 --> 00:37:16,040 hearing was a downed aircraft and then 704 00:37:21,270 --> 00:37:18,859 they heard a report that when this 705 00:37:24,130 --> 00:37:21,280 Mexican soldiers arrived at the scene to 706 00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:24,140 try to determine what it you know where 707 00:37:30,220 --> 00:37:26,170 the plane had crashed they found another 708 00:37:32,310 --> 00:37:30,230 object that they were not expecting so 709 00:37:38,650 --> 00:37:32,320 apparently all of this was being 710 00:37:41,470 --> 00:37:38,660 listened to on the US side and so we 711 00:37:44,020 --> 00:37:41,480 have what's known in UFO research as a 712 00:37:48,970 --> 00:37:44,030 rapid response team that was put 713 00:37:55,140 --> 00:37:48,980 together many UFO researchers believe 714 00:37:58,810 --> 00:37:55,150 that there are teams from personnel who 715 00:38:01,270 --> 00:37:58,820 go through their daily routines every 716 00:38:03,190 --> 00:38:01,280 day of their lives in various aspects of 717 00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:03,200 military service and intelligence 718 00:38:10,079 --> 00:38:07,010 community service and but if and when an 719 00:38:13,240 --> 00:38:10,089 incident happens these individuals are 720 00:38:15,579 --> 00:38:13,250 immediately brought together at a 721 00:38:18,730 --> 00:38:15,589 certain location and dispatched to the 722 00:38:20,150 --> 00:38:18,740 scene of one of these incidents and one 723 00:38:25,460 --> 00:38:20,160 of the persons that 724 00:38:28,099 --> 00:38:25,470 strongly you know she saw all of the she 725 00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:28,109 saw all of the aspects of a rapid 726 00:38:35,089 --> 00:38:31,170 response team being having taken care of 727 00:38:36,980 --> 00:38:35,099 this incident is was Elaine Douglas who 728 00:38:39,230 --> 00:38:36,990 had actually talked to some members of 729 00:38:41,299 --> 00:38:39,240 Rapid Response Teams although they 730 00:38:42,770 --> 00:38:41,309 couldn't go on the record and they 731 00:38:46,579 --> 00:38:42,780 wouldn't give her precise information 732 00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:46,589 about specific cases but she talked to 733 00:38:50,750 --> 00:38:47,970 one of them she met one of them 734 00:38:54,170 --> 00:38:50,760 clandestinely in washington DC at a 735 00:38:58,640 --> 00:38:54,180 small cafe and that person verified that 736 00:39:03,890 --> 00:38:58,650 this had all the markings of a CIA Rapid 737 00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:03,900 Response UFO team so what they did was 738 00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:06,210 they put together a helicopter team 739 00:39:11,750 --> 00:39:09,410 which included one cargo helicopter 740 00:39:15,349 --> 00:39:11,760 which could have been a Super Stallion 741 00:39:18,260 --> 00:39:15,359 or a see night something similar to that 742 00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:18,270 and then some Huey's to provide cover 743 00:39:24,170 --> 00:39:21,450 for them and transport additional 744 00:39:26,390 --> 00:39:24,180 personnel I don't know if you all are 745 00:39:28,309 --> 00:39:26,400 aware but Fort Bliss in El Paso is one 746 00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:28,319 of the largest military compounds in the 747 00:39:34,700 --> 00:39:32,130 world it extends from the downtown 748 00:39:38,809 --> 00:39:34,710 aerial pass all the way into New Mexico 749 00:39:42,019 --> 00:39:38,819 where it joins with the White Sands 750 00:39:46,579 --> 00:39:42,029 Missile Range so I mean that is a huge 751 00:39:49,250 --> 00:39:46,589 swath of land there are some areas of 752 00:39:51,609 --> 00:39:49,260 Fort Bliss that personnel who actually 753 00:39:54,529 --> 00:39:51,619 are stationed there have never ever seen 754 00:39:57,620 --> 00:39:54,539 they only see a small section of the 755 00:39:59,900 --> 00:39:57,630 base the rest of it there are landing 756 00:40:04,460 --> 00:39:59,910 fields there are hangers nobody knows 757 00:40:11,349 --> 00:40:04,470 what's out there well somebody knows but 758 00:40:14,120 --> 00:40:11,359 we don't know so as I mentioned before 759 00:40:16,970 --> 00:40:14,130 the first to be dispatched out to the 760 00:40:21,410 --> 00:40:16,980 scene was a squadron of mexican soldiers 761 00:40:27,570 --> 00:40:21,420 up to 24 and they all perished due to 762 00:40:35,350 --> 00:40:31,840 it's kind of in elegant to say this but 763 00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:35,360 this is what the dinner report says and 764 00:40:40,330 --> 00:40:37,970 that is that when the US team later 765 00:40:43,270 --> 00:40:40,340 arrived they gathered the Mexican bodies 766 00:40:46,630 --> 00:40:43,280 and the debris from the crashed airplane 767 00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:46,640 and they exploded it they exploded all 768 00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:51,170 the remaining evidence so essentially we 769 00:40:58,780 --> 00:40:53,330 were just telling you what the dinner of 770 00:41:01,930 --> 00:40:58,790 report says and it's interesting is that 771 00:41:04,660 --> 00:41:01,940 the soldiers from Mexico did not have 772 00:41:07,240 --> 00:41:04,670 any sort of hazmat gear bio protection 773 00:41:09,670 --> 00:41:07,250 gear they were totally unprepared they 774 00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:09,680 thought they were going out to deal with 775 00:41:15,790 --> 00:41:13,370 a the crash of a small plane and upon 776 00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:15,800 arrival it was only upon arrival that 777 00:41:22,030 --> 00:41:20,570 they encountered this other craft which 778 00:41:25,030 --> 00:41:22,040 they knew nothing about and were not 779 00:41:26,950 --> 00:41:25,040 prepared and not that the Mexican 780 00:41:31,530 --> 00:41:26,960 military would have had much in the way 781 00:41:36,250 --> 00:41:31,540 of biohazard gear back in the 70s anyway 782 00:41:38,260 --> 00:41:36,260 so and once again we've heard from UFO 783 00:41:39,700 --> 00:41:38,270 researchers who suggest that when an 784 00:41:42,730 --> 00:41:39,710 incident like this happens in other 785 00:41:44,070 --> 00:41:42,740 countries the u.s. is often invited to 786 00:41:47,820 --> 00:41:44,080 come in and take care of the mess 787 00:41:50,950 --> 00:41:47,830 because it requires specialized 788 00:41:53,190 --> 00:41:50,960 personnel and specialized equipment to 789 00:41:57,030 --> 00:41:53,200 deal with what happens at a crashed UFO 790 00:41:59,800 --> 00:41:57,040 side you do something wrong and you die 791 00:42:02,830 --> 00:41:59,810 if you remember one of these retrieval 792 00:42:05,770 --> 00:42:02,840 teams we talked to a gentleman in 793 00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:05,780 Roswell who has told us that he was on a 794 00:42:11,490 --> 00:42:08,450 cross retrieval team he was working with 795 00:42:14,020 --> 00:42:11,500 a buddy inside of a crashed saucer and 796 00:42:17,530 --> 00:42:14,030 they were talking you know back and 797 00:42:19,870 --> 00:42:17,540 forth and his buddy leaned over and 798 00:42:23,830 --> 00:42:19,880 apparently pressed a button and he was 799 00:42:30,070 --> 00:42:23,840 gone vaporized in a second they found 800 00:42:33,100 --> 00:42:30,080 nothing of his remains so it does take 801 00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:33,110 specialized skills a specialized skill 802 00:42:39,380 --> 00:42:35,090 set and specialized equipment to deal 803 00:42:46,140 --> 00:42:43,559 so Reuben and I actually wrote the 804 00:42:50,669 --> 00:42:46,150 original article about the coyame UFO 805 00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:50,679 incident on Wikipedia and block your 806 00:42:56,549 --> 00:42:53,410 ears on this Melanie I know you're not a 807 00:43:02,969 --> 00:42:56,559 Wikipedia fan and a lot of Wikipedia 808 00:43:05,099 --> 00:43:02,979 stuff is kind of suspect but I felt that 809 00:43:07,289 --> 00:43:05,109 our article about the common incident 810 00:43:10,380 --> 00:43:07,299 was fairly strong in fact that's why we 811 00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:10,390 wanted to introduce it and it was on 812 00:43:15,390 --> 00:43:12,249 there for a couple of years but then the 813 00:43:17,579 --> 00:43:15,400 great minds that control Wikipedia said 814 00:43:20,219 --> 00:43:17,589 because Reuben and I had written a book 815 00:43:23,489 --> 00:43:20,229 and we're making money we were not 816 00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:23,499 qualified to give an impartial report 817 00:43:30,269 --> 00:43:26,890 for Wikipedia so they took it off they 818 00:43:32,429 --> 00:43:30,279 took our work off but before they took 819 00:43:35,159 --> 00:43:32,439 it off we had an interesting incident 820 00:43:39,269 --> 00:43:35,169 happen we had someone post some 821 00:43:41,489 --> 00:43:39,279 anonymous information and try as a 822 00:43:43,620 --> 00:43:41,499 Reuben and I might we could never 823 00:43:46,679 --> 00:43:43,630 determine the source the guy was 824 00:43:50,549 --> 00:43:46,689 slippier slippier can't say that word 825 00:43:53,519 --> 00:43:50,559 but he was slippery he was very slippery 826 00:43:55,559 --> 00:43:53,529 and he gave us a slip wikipedia would 827 00:43:57,749 --> 00:43:55,569 not tell us who his identity that's 828 00:44:00,689 --> 00:43:57,759 their privacy policy neither would he 829 00:44:03,689 --> 00:44:00,699 tell us his identity we did everything 830 00:44:07,169 --> 00:44:03,699 we could think of and including offering 831 00:44:09,419 --> 00:44:07,179 him to send us copies of our book which 832 00:44:11,579 --> 00:44:09,429 he saw through right away if we send 833 00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:11,589 them copies of our book than we know 834 00:44:20,759 --> 00:44:18,249 where he is right so he said no we 835 00:44:23,549 --> 00:44:20,769 didn't know who he was we suspect he 836 00:44:25,319 --> 00:44:23,559 probably was in the military or had ties 837 00:44:27,630 --> 00:44:25,329 to someone in the military who was 838 00:44:30,899 --> 00:44:27,640 familiar with this case because what he 839 00:44:33,599 --> 00:44:30,909 posted opened our eyes he gave the names 840 00:44:37,169 --> 00:44:33,609 of specific soldiers and the serial 841 00:44:39,539 --> 00:44:37,179 numbers of soldiers who perished in the 842 00:44:44,210 --> 00:44:39,549 coyame incident both on the Mexican side 843 00:44:45,770 --> 00:44:44,220 and on the US side now we had never 844 00:44:50,810 --> 00:44:45,780 access to that information and we 845 00:44:53,030 --> 00:44:50,820 written three books about it their 846 00:44:54,890 --> 00:44:53,040 bodies displayed signs of death by 847 00:44:56,750 --> 00:44:54,900 asphyxiation they were also in 848 00:44:58,820 --> 00:44:56,760 possession of their firearms but showed 849 00:45:02,359 --> 00:44:58,830 no evidence of a tempting attempting to 850 00:45:07,820 --> 00:45:02,369 use them now Reuben an icon has 851 00:45:10,339 --> 00:45:07,830 scratched our heads and we talked to our 852 00:45:12,470 --> 00:45:10,349 counterparts in Mexico UFO researchers 853 00:45:14,810 --> 00:45:12,480 in Mexico and they felt that these 854 00:45:18,790 --> 00:45:14,820 serial numbers were actually in the 855 00:45:23,060 --> 00:45:18,800 right format for Mexican military and 856 00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:23,070 these names certainly sound like Mexican 857 00:45:28,940 --> 00:45:26,490 soldiers you know so it was an 858 00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:28,950 interesting break in the case they've 859 00:45:35,870 --> 00:45:31,970 been trying to follow up in Mexico and 860 00:45:38,359 --> 00:45:35,880 they've come up with what they think 861 00:45:40,099 --> 00:45:38,369 might be the people involved and then 862 00:45:41,540 --> 00:45:40,109 something weird happens and it turns out 863 00:45:47,359 --> 00:45:41,550 that they weren't so it's still a 864 00:45:49,430 --> 00:45:47,369 developing story this was also from the 865 00:45:53,630 --> 00:45:49,440 unconfirmed anonymous posting on 866 00:45:57,170 --> 00:45:53,640 wikipedia we had never heard this 867 00:46:01,810 --> 00:45:57,180 information before that the recovery 868 00:46:06,079 --> 00:46:01,820 team sent to comea from Fort Bliss 869 00:46:08,839 --> 00:46:06,089 consisted of 15 men well we never had a 870 00:46:11,510 --> 00:46:08,849 source for 15 men it wasn't in the Deneb 871 00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:11,520 report elane Douglas Leonard Stringfield 872 00:46:17,089 --> 00:46:13,890 didn't have a number so where did this 873 00:46:19,460 --> 00:46:17,099 information come from every time i tried 874 00:46:22,670 --> 00:46:19,470 to contact the guy who posted this on 875 00:46:26,240 --> 00:46:22,680 wikipedia he he ran circles around me he 876 00:46:27,589 --> 00:46:26,250 was evasive he was he kept I would ask 877 00:46:30,410 --> 00:46:27,599 him a question he would ask the same 878 00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:30,420 question back to me about this if this 879 00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:31,770 guy didn't have some kind of 880 00:46:39,829 --> 00:46:34,770 intelligence training on I'll eat my hat 881 00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:39,839 I don't have a hat but anyway so they 882 00:46:44,990 --> 00:46:42,690 named names the American group included 883 00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:45,000 captain lawrence mart merly lieutenant 884 00:46:54,380 --> 00:46:49,890 Randall bishop etc all retired US Armed 885 00:46:56,270 --> 00:46:54,390 Forces personnel the group entered 886 00:46:57,450 --> 00:46:56,280 Mexico surreptitiously after 887 00:46:59,700 --> 00:46:57,460 interception of 888 00:47:04,260 --> 00:46:59,710 a Mexican radio communication giving 889 00:47:07,230 --> 00:47:04,270 away the location of the crash site once 890 00:47:09,510 --> 00:47:07,240 again all data that we never had until 891 00:47:12,060 --> 00:47:09,520 somebody went on Wikipedia and posted 892 00:47:15,540 --> 00:47:12,070 this information well what better place 893 00:47:17,550 --> 00:47:15,550 to put it if you've got information you 894 00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:17,560 want it you want people to know it and 895 00:47:22,349 --> 00:47:19,450 yet you want to remain anonymous because 896 00:47:25,470 --> 00:47:22,359 the people who post a Wikipedia do not 897 00:47:28,859 --> 00:47:25,480 have to give their real identities so 898 00:47:32,490 --> 00:47:28,869 why is the small community of candelaria 899 00:47:34,589 --> 00:47:32,500 is it why is it a key well one of the 900 00:47:37,020 --> 00:47:34,599 first times we came down here we went up 901 00:47:40,829 --> 00:47:37,030 to candelaria and we looked around there 902 00:47:43,050 --> 00:47:40,839 isn't much on the Texas side nobody from 903 00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:43,060 candelaria here right so there's a 904 00:47:49,050 --> 00:47:45,930 broken-down old saloon at an inner set a 905 00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:49,060 stoplight and that's it I mean if you 906 00:47:55,980 --> 00:47:52,690 missed that you've missed candelaria but 907 00:48:00,750 --> 00:47:55,990 as I had mentioned earlier this is where 908 00:48:03,210 --> 00:48:00,760 the recovery team from Fort Bliss which 909 00:48:05,220 --> 00:48:03,220 had the helicopters had followed the 910 00:48:07,980 --> 00:48:05,230 course of the Rio Grande River all the 911 00:48:10,470 --> 00:48:07,990 way down from El Paso and just north of 912 00:48:14,849 --> 00:48:10,480 candelaria they cut across and went 913 00:48:16,500 --> 00:48:14,859 straight to the crash site so we took 914 00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:16,510 that picture that you were just looking 915 00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:18,970 at right about here and then they cut 916 00:48:28,980 --> 00:48:23,050 straight across so of course the story 917 00:48:32,870 --> 00:48:28,990 goes that the CIA recovery team which 918 00:48:35,700 --> 00:48:32,880 included ex-military personnel and 919 00:48:39,260 --> 00:48:35,710 possibly some personnel trained in 920 00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:39,270 handling hazardous materials that they 921 00:48:44,849 --> 00:48:42,130 when they arrived at the scene lo and 922 00:48:47,670 --> 00:48:44,859 behold the Mexican recovery team members 923 00:48:50,609 --> 00:48:47,680 were dead already dead but there was no 924 00:48:53,390 --> 00:48:50,619 involvement on our part in their deaths 925 00:48:56,370 --> 00:48:53,400 they were already dead possibly 926 00:49:00,180 --> 00:48:56,380 something from the UFO had killed them 927 00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:00,190 so and we do know as I mentioned earlier 928 00:49:04,500 --> 00:49:02,410 that being around a UFO crash site can 929 00:49:06,660 --> 00:49:04,510 be dangerous but what really happened we 930 00:49:08,500 --> 00:49:06,670 don't know we just have with the dinner 931 00:49:11,050 --> 00:49:08,510 report says which is 932 00:49:13,330 --> 00:49:11,060 they were all dead and so what did the 933 00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:13,340 u.s. do they took the remaining evidence 934 00:49:20,590 --> 00:49:16,850 at the site and as the big cargo 935 00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:20,600 helicopter took off with with the UFO 936 00:49:26,820 --> 00:49:23,930 dangling from a line most likely covered 937 00:49:29,980 --> 00:49:26,830 with a tarp or some kind of protection 938 00:49:31,780 --> 00:49:29,990 it took off left the area and then the 939 00:49:34,930 --> 00:49:31,790 remaining evidence was gathered together 940 00:49:39,730 --> 00:49:34,940 in a big pile and exploded either with 941 00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:39,740 high explosives or a small yield thermal 942 00:49:44,590 --> 00:49:42,290 nuclear device which was in the protocol 943 00:49:53,530 --> 00:49:44,600 for dealing with possible contamination 944 00:49:59,060 --> 00:49:57,260 yeah we will address that once we finish 945 00:50:01,760 --> 00:49:59,070 yeah we'll keep that in mind we always 946 00:50:05,810 --> 00:50:01,770 do touch on that though but remind us in 947 00:50:07,850 --> 00:50:05,820 case we forget so the UFO evidence was 948 00:50:11,330 --> 00:50:07,860 removed the soldiers exploded the 949 00:50:14,900 --> 00:50:11,340 remaining evidence we think in MK 54 we 950 00:50:21,140 --> 00:50:14,910 see the we see the hallmarks of a 951 00:50:23,810 --> 00:50:21,150 low-yield nuke like the CIA had in its 952 00:50:27,500 --> 00:50:23,820 arsenal and MK 54 which would do the job 953 00:50:30,770 --> 00:50:27,510 very nicely and effect a minimal area in 954 00:50:33,980 --> 00:50:30,780 terms of ecological impact impact to the 955 00:50:37,940 --> 00:50:33,990 environment or to surrounding life it 956 00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:37,950 just is a pinpoint boom and you've 957 00:50:42,950 --> 00:50:39,570 cleansed the area of any possible 958 00:50:45,230 --> 00:50:42,960 contaminants so that's why we suspect 959 00:50:48,410 --> 00:50:45,240 that and we caught a break as I 960 00:50:50,450 --> 00:50:48,420 mentioned earlier when one of the most 961 00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:50,460 respected educators in this part of 962 00:50:59,300 --> 00:50:53,610 Texas mrs. Johnny Mitchell I'm sorry 963 00:51:01,190 --> 00:50:59,310 Johnny chambers and her son step forward 964 00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:01,200 when they heard we were having our first 965 00:51:07,700 --> 00:51:03,450 UFO festival and that it had something 966 00:51:10,340 --> 00:51:07,710 to do with a UFO that had crashed near 967 00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:10,350 here they stepped forward and said we 968 00:51:16,490 --> 00:51:13,170 saw an explosion in the sky directly 969 00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:16,500 across the Rio Grande River from 970 00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:21,090 candelaria in 1974 boom just like that 971 00:51:27,740 --> 00:51:25,410 it hit us like that blast it was just a 972 00:51:30,980 --> 00:51:27,750 big explosion in the sky she told us 973 00:51:33,710 --> 00:51:30,990 mostly round I can see it in my mind but 974 00:51:36,140 --> 00:51:33,720 it is hard to describe I would say the 975 00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:36,150 width of it was about four or five miles 976 00:51:45,380 --> 00:51:38,610 and of course it was pretty high in the 977 00:51:51,050 --> 00:51:45,390 sky and her son who was ten years old in 978 00:51:53,990 --> 00:51:51,060 1974 told us all of a sudden a big old 979 00:51:57,350 --> 00:51:54,000 glow fire ball looking thing sorry about 980 00:51:59,030 --> 00:51:57,360 that Apple want some more money from me 981 00:51:59,740 --> 00:51:59,040 but they're not going to get it right 982 00:52:03,190 --> 00:51:59,750 now 983 00:52:04,840 --> 00:52:03,200 all of a sudden a big old glow fire ball 984 00:52:07,570 --> 00:52:04,850 looking thing appeared over the mountain 985 00:52:16,390 --> 00:52:07,580 over there we stopped and watched it for 986 00:52:20,350 --> 00:52:16,400 a while it was quite a fireball so here 987 00:52:25,390 --> 00:52:20,360 is Rio dosa here is candelaria we're in 988 00:52:28,060 --> 00:52:25,400 presidio down here and this is where the 989 00:52:31,720 --> 00:52:28,070 chambers were both driving in their 990 00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:31,730 vehicle coming down a mountain from the 991 00:52:38,140 --> 00:52:34,850 hot springs and they were looking this 992 00:52:39,940 --> 00:52:38,150 way and suddenly the pieces started 993 00:52:43,150 --> 00:52:39,950 coming together because this was the 994 00:52:47,140 --> 00:52:43,160 location we had pinpointed seven years 995 00:52:49,390 --> 00:52:47,150 ago the very location that we had 996 00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:49,400 pinpointed seven or eight years ago 997 00:52:55,240 --> 00:52:52,490 based on the Deneb report they were 998 00:52:59,890 --> 00:52:55,250 directly across the Rio Grande River 999 00:53:03,220 --> 00:52:59,900 from that location directly so we had 1000 00:53:08,410 --> 00:53:03,230 one of those wow moments when big well 1001 00:53:11,710 --> 00:53:08,420 that was a big one and last the sea last 1002 00:53:14,170 --> 00:53:11,720 year or no it was two years ago we had 1003 00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:14,180 the Chamber's present you know part of 1004 00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:16,970 our presentation mrs. chambers however 1005 00:53:29,170 --> 00:53:21,610 doesn't do my travel much anymore she's 1006 00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:29,180 elderly and so they saw what they 1007 00:53:36,250 --> 00:53:32,890 described as a four to five mile wide 1008 00:53:38,070 --> 00:53:36,260 fireball come up over the mountains 1009 00:53:42,430 --> 00:53:38,080 there's mountains on the Mexican side 1010 00:53:45,430 --> 00:53:42,440 and they were over they were standing 1011 00:53:47,020 --> 00:53:45,440 right here or not they were in their car 1012 00:53:49,180 --> 00:53:47,030 that at one point they did get out of 1013 00:53:54,460 --> 00:53:49,190 their car and stand outside the car and 1014 00:53:59,140 --> 00:53:54,470 they saw this huge fireball right 1015 00:54:04,180 --> 00:53:59,150 actually right back here in El liano the 1016 00:54:06,580 --> 00:54:04,190 area known as aliano now here is a 1017 00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:06,590 picture we went out to the site at last 1018 00:54:11,770 --> 00:54:09,290 year's UFO festival and we took a 1019 00:54:12,560 --> 00:54:11,780 picture of the actual place where John 1020 00:54:14,930 --> 00:54:12,570 Chambers 1021 00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:14,940 son took us to the actual place where he 1022 00:54:21,140 --> 00:54:18,170 and his mom were standing and looking 1023 00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:21,150 this was a road that they were traveling 1024 00:54:27,350 --> 00:54:24,890 on coming back down to candelaria and 1025 00:54:34,040 --> 00:54:27,360 right over these mountains they saw the 1026 00:54:36,410 --> 00:54:34,050 fireball I did a computer simulation I 1027 00:54:40,790 --> 00:54:36,420 showed it to mrs. chambers and she said 1028 00:54:44,150 --> 00:54:40,800 how did you get a picture of it I took 1029 00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:44,160 one of the nuclear tests that we did in 1030 00:54:48,190 --> 00:54:46,410 the 60s I took a picture of one of the 1031 00:54:51,740 --> 00:54:48,200 nuclear test from the 60s and 1032 00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:51,750 superimposed it photoshopped it in 1033 00:54:57,770 --> 00:54:54,090 behind the very place where they saw the 1034 00:55:02,350 --> 00:54:57,780 fireball and she was just stunned in 1035 00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:02,360 fact we gave her a copy of this print 1036 00:55:09,530 --> 00:55:04,770 autographed by us and she really 1037 00:55:11,240 --> 00:55:09,540 appreciated that we watched it all the 1038 00:55:14,180 --> 00:55:11,250 way down the mountain I imagine at least 1039 00:55:17,030 --> 00:55:14,190 five or more 5 or maybe 10 minutes more 1040 00:55:21,980 --> 00:55:17,040 we did not keep driving at regular speed 1041 00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:21,990 we slow down and kept watching it then 1042 00:55:30,070 --> 00:55:26,850 he described that it had colors in it it 1043 00:55:34,130 --> 00:55:30,080 was orange and red fire red blazing red 1044 00:55:37,340 --> 00:55:34,140 not not really read but it had some 1045 00:55:39,230 --> 00:55:37,350 orange in it he did not move up or down 1046 00:55:43,130 --> 00:55:39,240 it stayed up there for quite a while 1047 00:55:44,330 --> 00:55:43,140 well you know what all reading all the 1048 00:55:47,180 --> 00:55:44,340 descriptions of people who have 1049 00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:47,190 witnessed nuclear explosions it sounds 1050 00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:52,290 just like that we thought it was a fire 1051 00:55:57,080 --> 00:55:55,290 we had seen far as many times but it was 1052 00:56:00,770 --> 00:55:57,090 not like that it was a different kind of 1053 00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:00,780 glow it was almost like the Sun coming 1054 00:56:07,610 --> 00:56:04,410 back up now that really struck me I had 1055 00:56:12,380 --> 00:56:07,620 read that quote before in a book and 1056 00:56:17,060 --> 00:56:12,390 that was in the book the Sun rises the 1057 00:56:19,610 --> 00:56:17,070 Sun rose twice about the the first 1058 00:56:23,540 --> 00:56:19,620 nuclear tests that were done 1059 00:56:27,140 --> 00:56:23,550 and the fireball seemed like it was the 1060 00:56:35,030 --> 00:56:27,150 Sun rising again so that that really 1061 00:56:36,860 --> 00:56:35,040 made an impact on me so anyway they knew 1062 00:56:38,930 --> 00:56:36,870 it was a plane crash then you it wasn't 1063 00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:38,940 a forest fire they knew it was something 1064 00:56:45,350 --> 00:56:44,010 different and now another part of the 1065 00:56:47,240 --> 00:56:45,360 story and we're going to have to wrap it 1066 00:56:49,430 --> 00:56:47,250 up shortly but another part of the story 1067 00:56:54,110 --> 00:56:49,440 is that the helicopters came across the 1068 00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:54,120 u.s. boundary with Mexico on their way 1069 00:56:59,150 --> 00:56:56,010 to the crash site and then when they 1070 00:57:01,010 --> 00:56:59,160 recovered the material and they loaded 1071 00:57:05,560 --> 00:57:01,020 up all the soldiers again that came back 1072 00:57:09,230 --> 00:57:05,570 across well the Chamber's told us that 1073 00:57:11,540 --> 00:57:09,240 within a day after they saw the strange 1074 00:57:14,030 --> 00:57:11,550 glow in the sky several area residents 1075 00:57:15,950 --> 00:57:14,040 observed a group of military helicopters 1076 00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:15,960 moving back into the u.s. from Mexico 1077 00:57:22,940 --> 00:57:19,050 including one large twin rotor 1078 00:57:26,030 --> 00:57:22,950 helicopter it was several maybe three or 1079 00:57:27,530 --> 00:57:26,040 four he said now I need to point out to 1080 00:57:31,250 --> 00:57:27,540 you that the Chamber's live in a very 1081 00:57:34,220 --> 00:57:31,260 isolated part of the area and they have 1082 00:57:37,100 --> 00:57:34,230 no interest in UFOs they had never heard 1083 00:57:39,170 --> 00:57:37,110 about our book they had heard that we 1084 00:57:41,540 --> 00:57:39,180 were having a UFO festival and that was 1085 00:57:44,030 --> 00:57:41,550 the first you know they didn't associate 1086 00:57:47,300 --> 00:57:44,040 it with what they saw they did you know 1087 00:57:49,340 --> 00:57:47,310 we had to really struggle to get the 1088 00:57:53,540 --> 00:57:49,350 story out of them the daily really have 1089 00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:53,550 no desire for publicity but and they 1090 00:57:57,320 --> 00:57:55,770 have no interest in UFOs they just saw 1091 00:57:59,360 --> 00:57:57,330 something strange in the sky net 1092 00:58:03,320 --> 00:57:59,370 happened to be on the very date at the 1093 00:58:11,150 --> 00:58:03,330 very place where we think this incident 1094 00:58:14,120 --> 00:58:11,160 happened so we we had and we don't have 1095 00:58:16,250 --> 00:58:14,130 time unfortunately to show this but we 1096 00:58:18,770 --> 00:58:16,260 went up there with John Chambers a year 1097 00:58:20,990 --> 00:58:18,780 ago and he showed us he pointed out the 1098 00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:21,000 mountain ridge where this incident 1099 00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:27,290 happened and so um 1100 00:58:31,420 --> 00:58:29,450 we suspect that the crash debris was 1101 00:58:33,010 --> 00:58:31,430 taken to Atlanta Georgia the reason 1102 00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:33,020 being that there was obviously a 1103 00:58:37,720 --> 00:58:35,570 contaminant or something that was 1104 00:58:39,550 --> 00:58:37,730 affecting that had killed the soldiers 1105 00:58:42,250 --> 00:58:39,560 and so it needed to be analyzed the 1106 00:58:47,110 --> 00:58:42,260 world's leading facilities for dealing 1107 00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:47,120 with a threat of a biological nature was 1108 00:58:53,170 --> 00:58:51,650 at the CDC in Atlanta and then we've 1109 00:58:57,360 --> 00:58:53,180 heard from other witnesses who have 1110 00:59:00,610 --> 00:58:57,370 additional information that we have 1111 00:59:04,270 --> 00:59:00,620 uncovered there's a series of 1112 00:59:11,010 --> 00:59:04,280 coincidences that have been uncovered 1113 00:59:16,450 --> 00:59:13,810 which is the kalama incident and we've 1114 00:59:19,990 --> 00:59:16,460 got copies available our first book 1115 00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:20,000 Mexico's Roswell we also have a few if 1116 00:59:26,230 --> 00:59:22,370 by the grace of dentists can we take a 1117 00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:26,240 couple of questions all right dennis is 1118 00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:27,530 going to let us take a couple of 1119 00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:44,280 the question is the the names that 1120 00:59:49,150 --> 00:59:46,970 appeared mysteriously on the Wikipedia 1121 00:59:51,100 --> 00:59:49,160 posting giving the names of soldiers who 1122 00:59:53,290 --> 00:59:51,110 died in this incident has anybody ever 1123 00:59:55,930 --> 00:59:53,300 checked actually the answer is people 1124 00:59:58,750 --> 00:59:55,940 are checking right now because this 1125 01:00:01,900 --> 00:59:58,760 hasn't been this wasn't known until just 1126 01:00:05,470 --> 01:00:01,910 a short time ago recent yeah it's very 1127 01:00:10,770 --> 01:00:05,480 recent and other question secession 1128 01:00:18,520 --> 01:00:16,150 this isn't as something that government 1129 01:00:20,890 --> 01:00:18,530 officials in Mexico really strongly 1130 01:00:23,890 --> 01:00:20,900 believe really happened they think it's 1131 01:00:26,370 --> 01:00:23,900 kind of like part of UFO lore so 1132 01:00:28,870 --> 01:00:26,380 possibly it hasn't been taken seriously 1133 01:00:31,090 --> 01:00:28,880 because if it had been taken seriously 1134 01:00:34,120 --> 01:00:31,100 this would be a major international 1135 01:00:36,580 --> 01:00:34,130 incident and the US you know even though 1136 01:00:39,820 --> 01:00:36,590 it was you know where this location 1137 01:00:43,570 --> 01:00:39,830 happened was within maybe 15 miles of 1138 01:00:46,930 --> 01:00:43,580 the international boundary but even so 1139 01:00:49,660 --> 01:00:46,940 it did happen in Mexican territory but 1140 01:00:51,940 --> 01:00:49,670 the the the only answer we have at the 1141 01:00:54,730 --> 01:00:51,950 time being is that it's not really taken 1142 01:00:57,280 --> 01:00:54,740 seriously probably because they don't 1143 01:00:59,590 --> 01:00:57,290 have all the facts and information yet 1144 01:01:05,380 --> 01:00:59,600 after they read our book though they 1145 01:01:07,690 --> 01:01:05,390 they might think twice about that there 1146 01:01:09,190 --> 01:01:07,700 was one thing we didn't get a chance to 1147 01:01:12,370 --> 01:01:09,200 talk about their happen to have been a 1148 01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:12,380 major crash they reported it as a crash 1149 01:01:17,590 --> 01:01:15,050 of military vehicles who were just on a 1150 01:01:20,080 --> 01:01:17,600 routine convoy and a whole bunch of 1151 01:01:22,390 --> 01:01:20,090 Mexican soldiers died so they just 1152 01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:22,400 reported it as a highway crash and it 1153 01:01:28,930 --> 01:01:26,210 happened it was reported at that same 1154 01:01:32,740 --> 01:01:28,940 time period so you never know a cover 1155 01:01:36,080 --> 01:01:32,750 story is put out there anybody else yes 1156 01:01:50,890 --> 01:01:39,390 you know where of special 1157 01:01:57,680 --> 01:01:54,240 working with CIA 1158 01:01:57,690 --> 01:02:03,640 that's all right that's a good point 1159 01:02:12,830 --> 01:02:09,110 yeah that's a very good point and and 1160 01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:12,840 the observation is that obviously and we 1161 01:02:17,030 --> 01:02:14,490 suspected this from the beginning that 1162 01:02:19,670 --> 01:02:17,040 the people involved in the US recovery 1163 01:02:22,430 --> 01:02:19,680 team were not active military this was a 1164 01:02:25,340 --> 01:02:22,440 CIA operation they were operative some 1165 01:02:28,610 --> 01:02:25,350 of them were ex-military but they had 1166 01:02:30,860 --> 01:02:28,620 ways to cover their tracks and there's 1167 01:02:33,650 --> 01:02:30,870 nothing within the military that's 1168 01:02:37,700 --> 01:02:33,660 traceable because the military was 1169 01:02:39,530 --> 01:02:37,710 really marginally involved and I think 1170 01:02:43,370 --> 01:02:39,540 we have to cut it will be available at 1171 01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:43,380 our table he's loaded giving us one more 1172 01:02:54,250 --> 01:02:52,690 that's a very good question we went with 1173 01:02:55,990 --> 01:02:54,260 the history channel's the question is is 1174 01:02:58,750 --> 01:02:56,000 there could there be some radiation out 1175 01:03:00,370 --> 01:02:58,760 in the Columbia crash area yes it's 1176 01:03:02,140 --> 01:03:00,380 possible when we went with the History 1177 01:03:05,050 --> 01:03:02,150 Channel's we found a site that we think 1178 01:03:07,690 --> 01:03:05,060 is related where somebody dug a vertical 1179 01:03:09,610 --> 01:03:07,700 pit that goes down a long long distance 1180 01:03:16,140 --> 01:03:09,620 and there were airplane parts all around 1181 01:03:19,570 --> 01:03:16,150 it and when when they stuck the the 1182 01:03:21,760 --> 01:03:19,580 detector the radiation detector one of 1183 01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:21,770 the crew members with a history channel 1184 01:03:27,190 --> 01:03:24,410 stuck his arm down there just the little 1185 01:03:30,220 --> 01:03:27,200 ways down and the things started spiking 1186 01:03:33,460 --> 01:03:30,230 the meter started spiking to pull his 1187 01:03:35,620 --> 01:03:33,470 arm back real quick so could there be 1188 01:03:37,570 --> 01:03:35,630 radiation in the area it's possible 1189 01:03:39,250 --> 01:03:37,580 we've also heard and we didn't have a 1190 01:03:42,190 --> 01:03:39,260 chance to elaborate on this but there's 1191 01:03:46,240 --> 01:03:42,200 an area in the approximate area there 1192 01:03:49,990 --> 01:03:46,250 there's a place where nothing grows and 1193 01:03:51,820 --> 01:03:50,000 it's well known to people who are who 1194 01:03:54,820 --> 01:03:51,830 live in the area who ranch in the area 1195 01:03:57,870 --> 01:03:54,830 that this is a dead zone nothing grows 1196 01:04:00,010 --> 01:03:57,880 there and that's all the time we have 1197 01:04:05,800 --> 01:04:00,020 thank you very much for putting up with